PDRP 4 – Telling “how it is”

Greetings, listeners!

This PDRP is important enough, to be included, I think. Hope you’ll like it. Regular episode on the 30th!

In today’s episode, we are joined by Stephanie Ellaine Hunt, leader of the Drinking Liberally New York section to talk about Trump election, to discuss “how it is” and make some sense about how to still stay friendly to each other in this partisan environment. Also, we discuss race issues, women’s issues, LGBT rights and why, exactly, are minorities and these aforementioned groups afraid of Trump. And should Trump voters be afraid of Trump? Maybe there can be something good from this election? Who knows. In the next episode, which shall be released soon, we’ll be talking with Ben. That one was recorded before election – but it will be interesting to listen to that, after both election and after this episode. Enjoy. Also, music was taken from a royalty-free site, and it’s Actionable by talented Ben Sound.

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16 Comments on PDRP 4 – Telling “how it is”

  1. The Alt-Right is actually enviromental. But the fact you go out in listeining to msm sources that the alt-right is all nazis, is quite showing. You even say it yourself “they’re apperently nazis now” well apperently, but to whom?
    And you say you’re against the tumblr shit but use the words priveleged and choose to go with a token minority to not seem like you’re only with privleged americans.
    But whatever, i’m just one goy

  2. I don’t know how to post my thoughts in comment form because I disagree with almost everything she said. It is easy to believe though because I’m that white guy from the Midwest who is apparently a Nazi now? By the way, I took a civics class in elementary and in high school because we all had to in order to graduate as mandated by the state, so I do know how politics work.

    • I apologize if I offended you in any way or form. My own political views are strictly neutral – I’m a neo-prudentist, like Dan Carlin would say, and think that we should take the best from everyone’s view and not stick to ideologies or principles that much. I also hate all politicians with equally same passion, like I mentioned on this show (and every other). Stephanie was here, because so far, I’ve only had right-wing guests, and I wanted someone with those political views to explain why they might be afraid of trump. For one, I also hate the Tumblr “progressives” and all kinds of radical nonsense. So, my job here was to be polite and to receive answers on the questions I asked. So, please, don’t take this personally, if you radically disagree with something. The show is there to induce thinking. And I’m very happy that you people are responding and commenting! This is exactly like I had planned. I received a lot of flak from the other side about the “who are us” show, by the way, so this is just fair, in my opinion. And, like I said, I pray for more discussion, more debate and that Trump might actually be the best president ever. I don’t think I have any claims on absolute truth, obviously – all I can do is just be the one who starts a discussion. Thank you for listening and commenting.

      • I’m not angry at anyone, and I think you’ve done a good job at moderating the questions. There’s two topics that the main stream media and several of my friends have been pushing that have been really getting on my nerves though. First is people complaining about millennials and second is how to be a trump supporter you must be an uncultured, racist, woman hating, islamaphobe, Nazi. I just want to go on the record and say I’m none of those things and I am ready to debate politics as soon as I’m no longer degraded for my rational political views.

        The idea that white supremacy is on the rise is completely crazy. Yes there are racist people, there will always be racist people, but that is an extremely small percentage of the population.

        When you talked about the popular vote counting for too much in the presidential election, the electoral college does indirectly level the playing field. The real reason it was set up was to mitigate the say that uneducated people had in the election back during John Adams’s time in office. Obviously culture has changed, literacy rates have changed, and the power of the president has changed in the last 200+ years. I think the electoral college is a good thing and that states having a say in how the election is processed is a good thing. Imagine if the UN was ran by popular votes by country population and you can see what happens a lot of smaller states in US politics.

  3. Oy, so I don’t usually post on this kind or stuff, or at all really, but this last episode got on my nerves

    First off my bias’s I am white male new Englander so I quietly loath everyone. I a centrist leaning left although I don’t like that model for describing ideology and how it interacts with other ideologies. I am studying politic science in college so I both don’t know what I am talking about and actually like politics. I am sure there are other biases I should disclose but those are the big ones

    So most of my problems are really with things that the guest said, some of which are factually incorrect, and at other points I felt that she did a poor job explaining why things are the way they are over here.

    a good example of this is the description of the electrical college, everyone knows it is a wonky system, which is something we learn in civics class which is something we still have in a lot of public schools, I should know, I attended one. Her historical explanation makes no sense since both Adams and Jefferson became president and the college predates them both, the traditional explanation I heard for the college is its designed to curb populism because the electors originally did not have to vote the way there states do. Every presidential election we have the argument that it should be changed but since it takes an amendment to constitution to change it and not a law it is hard to change and no one wants to spend the political capital on the issue.

    and that was just one of the issues

    I guess my point is that the American system is weird, but there is a reason for why it is weird, and there can’t be a conversation about whether these systems are good if you didn’t get to heart of why they are in the first place. And I felt the podcast was made lesser because of the lack of a sympathetic ear and attempt to understand why people are doing the things they are doing right now in America.

    I find that sad because I think that is usually what this podcast is good at.

  4. >Electoral Collage is literally Hitler
    >Superdelegates crowning Hillary despite Bernie winning the popular votes is perfectly peachy keen
    Kekus Maximus, this is hilarious.

    Also: Keep up the good work!

  5. I’m in a strange position right now. I understand why a lot of people voted for Trump, and I also believe that those Tumblr progressives you mention above did a lot of damage to their own cause by pushing their agendas in obnoxious and tone-deaf ways (even helping to lead to a war within the Democratic party this year.) But I’m also a little worried about being an American with a partly Arab and Muslim background, and I’m more worried about the relatives on that side of my family who have immigrated to the US, considering the rhetoric of guys like Bannon and Flynn and so on. Honestly, this election feels a little like I just got told to go fuck myself.

    I have to hold out hope. I think a majority of Trump voters definitely aren’t bigoted, but were merely voting against Hillary or were attracted by Trump’s promises to return jobs to the US. Then again, my friends on the right who are happy about these developments and tell me that I shouldn’t worry at all – don’t I have the right to worry just a little bit?

  6. It would be great if the Eastern Border was it’s own feed. I come here to listen to an awesome podcast about about the Soviet Union from an interesting perspective. I don’t come here to listen to SJW’s whine about whatever the outrage of the week happens to be. We’re subjected to enough of that garbage already over here.

  7. Interesting conversation. Curonian, your instincts on the Electoral College are correct. It is indeed set up to protect the minority. Without it, the largest population areas would dominate politics in America (they already do to some measure) entirely. The rare occasion the popular candidate does not win is a blip in the system. She notes it has happened five times in American history, but in almost 60 presidential elections this is not a large fraction in the grand scheme of things. Much of the US political system is to avoid pure democracy. As Benjamin Franklin puts it, “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner…”

    Her assessment of the 2000 election is rather one-sided and the facts are colored by her bias. Another quote from Reagan this time, “It’s not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it’s that they know so much that isn’t so.” Occasionally I wanted to yell through the podcast, “No no no! That’s all wrong!” But I don’t have space-time podcasting capabilities.

    I also agree with you, politicians tend to be corrupt. In fact, when we consider our politicians less corrupt than the other sides, that’s where trouble starts.

    She believes that Democrats are more in line with your political thinking. That may actually be correct because American political thinking isn’t nearly varied as we like to think. The American left and right are far closer to each other in our way of thinking than we are to our rough analogies in Europe.

    Good stuff, I enjoy your podcast and highly recommended it in a review recently. Keep up the great work.

  8. Your guest did a horrible job representing Americans. Although she did a good job representing the left; “everything isn’t fair if it’s not view”.
    We have a very very corrupt political system over here, on both sides. And the news media here is so twisted, they constantly give out very bias information. A lot of people here are spoon fed propaganda. And unfortunately this is how most people get their “educated opinions” on everything.
    Keep up the great work 🙂

  9. And also Trump became president because the majority of Americans are sick of the corrupt politics in congress. The Republicans in office didn’t want him and none of the Democrats wanted him. He said a lot of things that the Americans feel right now. Whether or not he goes through with what he said is another story.
    She said Trump has no experience, well Obama had no experience either, oh wait, he was a community organizer, and a lowly senator for almost two years who rarely showed up to cast votes.
    Now we have a country full of limp wristed “snow flakes” who need a ” safe place” if anything offends them.
    This country has become the laughing stock for the world. Only here can you be a man, become a woman, and get woman of the year!!!!
    A kid here brought a fake alarm clock bomb to school. Never got in trouble because of his skin color and race background. Then got invited to the White House from Obama! But if your a white kid and bite you sandwich into the shape of a gun you get expelled! Pretty cool times we live in huh?

  10. No offense but 99.999% of people living anywhere in the USA are privileged human beings. A lot of americans aren’t aware of how comfortable and safe their lives are, especially compared to those of people living in most other countries. American leftists are some of the americans most oblivious to this simple fact.

    About the USA National Anthem… A LOT of national anthems talk about wars and nationalism, etc. The USA anthem is not an anomaly in that sense.

    It’s wrong to characterize the american left as not having business interests. Both major parties of the USA have deep corporate ties. Hillary Clinton is well known as a big friend of Wall Street. Even Bernie Sanders has his stuff. But there are also people in both parties who are surprisingly “clean”, even in the GOP, like Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and former politician Ron Paul. I say this because I hate when people (especially leftists) try paint this kind of things in pure black and white. “Repubicans are corporate whores, democrats are mostly good and pure”. No. Almost every politician in all parties is not good and pure, not by a long shot. Most of them are corrupt, power hungry psychopaths.

    The electoral system of the USA is not that relevant to what the outcome is. The candidates tailor their strategies to the system, so in the hypothetical case where the president of the USA was elected by popular vote rather than by electoral college, they would have campaigned differently and the result would most certainly not have been the same in terms of popular votes. Trump might have won nonetheless. That said, yes, there is a lot of corruption going on in their elections, but Trump in this case was the underdog, he had all the media against him, his campaign had much less money than Clinton’s, etc. So this election is proof that money does not buy elections, it’s not that simple.

    “Net neutrality” is just a shorthand for state control over the internet. There was never a need for it. Almost all “net neutrality” scandals have been similar to the scenario where some company wants to provide free internet but only to access their service. That’s great, no one is forced to use this FREE OF CHARGE service, ¿what’s the problem? If you want access to other stuff, don’t go to this service and voilà. Facebook once wanted to provide free facebook access to rural indians via unmanned drones. They were criticized for that. All I could think about that criticism was “WTF”. ¿Do radios not do the exact same thing? ¿Why aren’t this “defenders of net neutrality” not railing against radio stations for providing free of charge access to their services, but not to that of other businesses?

    Nobody is qualified to be President of a country, really. Not businessmen, not older politicians, not clergymen, not hippies.

    Maybe the problem is not Trump being in NY before he assumes the presidency, maybe the problem is the hyperexcacerbated ultrasecurity that tramples on people’s rights and costs an exorbitant amount of money. But no, everything has to be about Trump.

    When american leftists call for the murdering of right wing people, no one bats an eye, but when one american rightwinger dares threaten a leftist, it’s all over the news. Weird how that works out.

    About italian americans… there area A LOT of italian american politicians. Many Supreme Court justices have been. A lot of secretaries of state have been italian american, as well as a lot of senators, representatives, governors, all the way to the local level.

    It’s wrong to assume that race has much to do with voting preferences. A lot of black people vote republican (or not left for that matter). A lot of people who have friends or etc. with black people vote that way too. Stephanie seems to try to imply that only racists or xenophobes vote “not left”. That is again a terrible mischaracterization of reality, trying to paint all black and white. It’s not that simple.

    Anyhow, I could go on and on about stuff said in this episode, and I’m not even american.

  11. Well, this brought out the angry Americans. I didn’t agree w/ everything she said, but if it makes listeners angry, it makes me feel as if I might be liberal (I never felt like one), as I was happy to listen to this discussion. And as your co-host of the LB, I’m also native of WV. Thanks!

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